Getting started

[Robert P. Muir]

Any help getting started would be greatly appreciated.

Father = Robert Muir (born 1913) Glencreig, (Kingdom of Fife) Scotland
Grandfather = Edwin Muir (born 1869 ?) Lochee, (City of Dundee) Scotland
Grandmother = Elizabeth Sharp Muir (born 1875 ?) Leven, (Kingdom of Fife) Scotland

Sorce: Ellis Island, New York (entry date 5/21/1921) "The Cameroni" ship manifest, page 1067

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Dear Robert:

Hopefully by the end of next week, we'll have our PC (where I have my genealogical database) up and running again. If you don't hear from me by Mon. week, you might try writing me again to remind me.

Sincerely,
Randy
[e-mail]

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Dear Robert:

We've finally got our computer (the PC) back.

Below is the info I can find on this line immediately. I may well have other connections, but haven't "seen" 'em yet. If you have any other info that you're willing to share, I may be able to find more links for you.

Sincerely,
Randy

Descendants of James MUIR - 16 Oct 2009
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First Generation

1. James MUIR1 was born.

Isabella GRIEVE2 was born. James MUIR and Isabella GRIEVE had the following children:

2 i. James MUIR was born on 19 Dec 1866 in Largo (Fife), Scotland.3
3 ii. Alexander Grieve MUIR was born on 8 Feb 1869 in Largo (Fife), Scotland.4
+4 iii. Edwin MUIR, born on 5 Jan 1872, Largo (Fife), Scotland5,6.
5 iv. Thomas Grieve MUIR was born on 24 Oct 1874 in Largo (Fife), Scotland.7



Second Generation

4. Edwin MUIR (James-1) was born on 5 Jan 1872 in Largo (Fife), Scotland.8,9 "Grandfather = Edwin Muir (born 1869 ?) Lochee, (City of Dundee) Scotland," according to Robert P. Muir

He immigrated in 1921 to New York (New York), NY.10 "Source: Ellis Island, New York (entry date 5/21/1921) "The Cameroni" ship manifest, page 1067," according to Robert P. Muir


Elizabeth SHARP11 was born about 1875 in Leven (Fife), Scotland.12 Edwin MUIR and Elizabeth SHARP had the following children:

6 i. Philip Fotheringham MUIR was born on 30 Oct 1897 in Cowdenbeath (Fife), Scotland.13
7 ii. Robert MUIR was born in 1913 in Glencreig (Fife), Scotland.14

Sources

1. Mormon IGI.
2. Ibid.
3. Ibid.
4. Ibid.
5. Ibid.
6. Robert P. Muir
[e-mail]
(Oct. 2009).
7. Mormon IGI.
8. Ibid.
9. Robert P. Muir
[e-mail]
(Oct. 2009).
10. Ibid.
11. Mormon IGI.
12. Robert P. Muir
[e-mail]
(Oct. 2009).
13. Mormon IGI.
14. Robert P. Muir
[e-mail]
(Oct. 2009).

[Robert P. Muir]

Thank you for your prompt reply. However, I am not sure we are talking about the same Edwin Muir (my grandfather). The 1869 ? year of birth I provided is based upon his age (in years) provided in the Ellis Island data for his May 21, 1921 date of entry --- I have no doubt about that being the date of his entry into the United States (a notation was even made at Ellis Island about his amputated leg and my father --- age 7 at the time --- having a scalp condition). On the Ellis Island data this Edwin's place of birth was given as "Lochee" (now part of the City of Dundee) Scotland.

An E-mail contact in TN --- the granddaughter of my father's sister --- has heard that this Edwin's father had the name Thomas (but I have no way to verify that). Also, this Edwin Muir and Elizabeth Sharp Muir had twelve children --- I can research most of them from the Ellis Island data (except the oldest, Andrew who remained in Scotalnd), if that would be of help.

Again, thank you for what you have done.

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I do know of an Edwin b. 1 Apr. 1868 in Old Machar (Aberdeenshire) to Edwin & Williamina (SMITH) MUIR, but nothing else on this line. Then, there's Edwin b. 5 Jan. 1872 in Largo (Fifeshire) to James & Isabella (GRIEVE) MUIR. I know of at least 3 other "Edwin MUIRs" b. within a 5 yr. period (inc. 1868 & 1872), but the other 3 weren't b. in Scotland (1 was even b. in NY state). I won't say that I know beyond a doubt that "your" Edwin is the 1 b. to James and Isabella, but ... that would be my 1st guess, based on what we currently know. Can you tell me anything else about these MUIRs? Where did they go to in the US? When and where did they die? These could be some most helpful clues for me to try to be of further serviee. I do save and all MUIR info. So anything you can share would be most helpful in my being able to further help you.

Sincerely,
Randy

[Robert P. Muir]

Thank you, again, for all you are doing.

Elizabeth Sharp Muir (my grandmother) died in 1921 (New Jersey or New York) about six months after entering the United States on May 21, 1921. Edwin Muir (my grand father) never remarried. He died in 1950 (Greenwood Lake, Orange County, New York).

Edwin had to have his leg amputated following a rail road accident in Scotland when he was age 12. Some say he was "working for the rail road", but my father said it was because he was playing close to the tracks. Andrew Muir, oldest uncle of mine, lost his right arm in WWI, but I have not found any record of his service. My father, Robert (no middle name), died in December of 1997 (Starke, Flordia).
I will see what additional information I can find about the family.

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Dear Robert:

I really do believe we're talking about the same Edwin and Elizabeth. I don't know how long you may have been trying to do genealogy (and definitely no insult intended), but ... It is so important to try to document each and every piece of info you have, even if it's just something that's been passed on to you verbally. There are often times when "discrepencies" come up and it's so important to be able to go back to the original source so you can better figure out which may be more accurate. This is your line and if you and I "disagree" on some "particulars," I'd be inclined to believe you're right, as long as you have some kind of "proof."

The way I see the immediate family of Edwin & Elizabeth is below. I would really appreciate any other info you may have on any other children they may have had. Again, these could be of big assistance to trying to find any other links for you.

BTW (By The Way),I do know of one other MUIR who was in Greenwood Lake area ... There was a "Neva I." (I don't know her surname, but I know she was b. 1911 in NY and d. 2003 in FL) who m. some MUIR and they had a child be the name of "Robert MUIR."

Sincerely,
Randy


Family Group Sheet
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Father: Edwin MUIR
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Birth: 5 Jan 1872 Largo (Fife), Scotland
Immigration: 1921 New York (New York), NY
Death: 1950 Greenwood Lake (Orange), NY
Father: James MUIR ( - )
Mother: Isabella GRIEVE ( - )
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Mother: Elizabeth SHARP
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Birth: abt 1875 Leven (Fife), Scotland
Death: 1921 New York
Father:
Mother:
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Children
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1 M Andrew MUIR
Military: abt 1914 WW I
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2 M Philip Fotheringham MUIR
Birth: 30 Oct 1897 Cowdenbeath (Fife), Scotland
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3 M Robert MUIR
Birth: 6 Jul 1913 Glencreig (Fife), Scotland
Residence: bef 1951 New York
Death: 19 Dec 1997 Starke (Bradford), FL
SSN: 109-05-2536
Residence: Keystone Heights (Clay), FL
Spouse:
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Prepared 19 Oct 2009 by:
Randy Muir
PO Box 41642
Nashville, Tennessee, USA
37204-1642
[e-mail]
MuirGenealogy.ning.com
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FATHER NOTES: Edwin MUIR
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Birth (5 Jan 1872): "Grandfather = Edwin Muir (born 1869 ?) Lochee, (City of
Dundee) Scotland," according to Robert P. Muir

(1,2)
Immigration (1921): "Sorce: Ellis Island, New York (entry date 5/21/1921) "The
Cameroni" ship manifest, page 1067," according to Robert P. Muir
(2)
Death (1950): (2)
General: "Edwin Muir (my grand father) never remarried," after the death of
Elizabeth in 1921.

"Edwin had to have his leg amputated following a rail road accident in Scotland
when he was age 12. Some say he was "working for the rail road", but my father
said it was because he was playing close to the tracks."

(2)

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MOTHER NOTES: Elizabeth SHARP
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Birth (abt 1875): (2)
Death (1921): "Elizabeth Sharp Muir (my grandmother) died in 1921 (New Jersey or
New York) about six months after entering the United States on May 21, 1921,"
according to Robert P. Muir.
(2)
General: (1)

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CHILD NOTES: Andrew MUIR
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Military (abt 1914): (2)
General: "Andrew Muir, oldest uncle of mine, lost his right arm in WWI, but I
have not found any record of his service. "
(2)

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CHILD NOTES: Philip Fotheringham MUIR
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Birth (30 Oct 1897): (1)

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CHILD NOTES: Robert MUIR
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Birth (6 Jul 1913): (2,3)
Residence (bef 1951): (3)
Death (19 Dec 1997): (2,3)
SSN: (3)
Residence: (3)

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SOURCES
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1. Mormon IGI.
2. Robert P. Muir
[e-mail]
(Oct. 2009).
3. Social Security Death Index.

[Robert P. Muir]

Here is what little I can add. Edwin Muir and Elizabeth Sharp Muir had ten (10) children:
Andrew Muir, born before 1898, died 1982 (did not leave Scotland). Source: family history
Philip Muir, born 1898 in Groden Garden, Scotland. Source: Ellis Island Records (entered U.S. 8/9/1920
James Muir, born 1902 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 8/9/1920
Christina D. Muir, born 1902 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 11/20/1920
Margaret A.. Muir, born 1905 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 11/20/1920
Agnes. Muir, born 1911 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 5/21/1921
Louis. Muir, born 1910 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 5/21/1921
William A.. Muir, born 1907 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 5/21/1921
Robert. Muir, born 1913 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 5/21/1921
Elizabeth. Muir, born 1917 in Glencreig, Scotland. Source : Ellis Island Records (entered US 5/21/1921

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Dear Robert:

I'm not sure which way to go your MUIRs yet (besides what I've already mentioned), but I strongly suspect your Elizabeth SHARP is the one mentioned in this Mormon FGR (Family Group Record):

FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles
Family Group Record

Husband
ANDREW SHARP Pedigree
Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:

Wife
MARGT. SHARP Pedigree
Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:

Children
1. ELIZABETH KAY SHARP Pedigree
Female

Birth: 22 MAY 1871 Largo, Fife, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


Sincerely,
Randy

[Robert P. Muir]

Thank you. That is most interesting. Do not have any additional information about her to provide. I understand that she died in 1921 --- about six months after entering the United States.

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Andrew & Margaret SHARP (Elizabeth Kay SHARP's parents) were from Largo, which looks like it's only about 1 1/2 miles from Leven. Seems like quite a reasonable distance for the MUIR family and the SHARP family to have become acquainted with each other in some way. Edwin was supposedly b. in Largo, too. Seems like quite a possible link to me.

Have you been able to locate any death record on Elizabeth at all ... or 1911 census info from Scotland?

Randy

[Robert P. Muir]

What little information I have at this point is that Philip and James Muir listed Mrs. Grahan Currie (aunt), 99 Bergen Ave. Kearney, NJ as his address upon entering the United States. All of the Muirs listed the same address upon their entry. I suspect (but this is only a guess on my part) she may have died in late 1921 or early 1922 in or near Kearney, NJ

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Dear Robert:

Below is info I can find on Graham CURRIE. I wish we knew what his MUIR wive's name was and more info on her.

Randy

Family Group Sheet
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Father: James B. CURRIE
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Birth: abt 1824 New Jersey
Census: 1880 Bloomington (Somerset), NJ
Occupation: 1880 Lock Tender - Carpenter
Father:
Mother:
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Mother: Caroline
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Birth: abt 1829 New Jersey
Father:
Mother:
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Children
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1 M Graham M. CURRIE
Birth: 2 Feb 1859 Trenton (Mercer), NJ
Census: 1880 Bloomington (Somerset), NJ
Occupation: 1880 Tending Lock
Residence: 1920/21 Kearney, NJ
Spouse: MUIR ( - )
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FATHER NOTES: James B. CURRIE
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Birth (abt 1824): (1)
Census (1880): (1)
Occupation (1880): (1)
General: (2)

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MOTHER NOTES: Caroline
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Birth (abt 1829): (1)
General: (3)

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CHILD NOTES: Graham M. CURRIE
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Birth (2 Feb 1859): (3)
Census (1880): (1)
Occupation (1880): (1)
Residence (1920/21): (4)

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SOURCES
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1. 1880 Fed. Census.
2. Mormon IR (Individual Record).
3. Mormon IGI.
4. Robert P. Muir