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Muir marriages in 1808
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Using birth order to identify previous generations - the Muir family in Libberton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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At 8:33pm on October 26, 2009, tree said…: Look for a private message from me.

Randy

At 10:38am on October 25, 2009, George E Muir said…: Good Morning Oliver: I am sending the email I received fromm Tree. If you do not receive the attachment along with the email contact Tree and ask him to send all info he has. I will contact him and let him know it is alright for you to have this info.

George

At 10:37am on October 24, 2009, George E Muir said…: Oliver: I would need an email address. I am not vey hep on these computers.

At 9:16am on October 24, 2009, George E Muir said…: Dear Oliver: I just received an e mail from Tree. He has been researching the MUIRS for me has has come up with some names I have never heard of. If you want I could forward them to you. Let me know. Geoege

At 5:37am on October 16, 2009, Oliver Russell said…: Hi George, Sorry to have taken so long to reply to your message. Although I have completed my searches of your family history I have found very little in the Scotland online parish records data base that confirms your family tree. In addition to the on line baptismal records I have also looked at eight family trees that I found on line that include John Muir and Mary Prentice and their descendants. Here is what I have found.
A John Muir was baptised in the parish of Carnwath on 18th June 1777. John was the son of William Muir and Frances Somerville and had three sisters: Margaret, b 1771, Jean b 1774 and Janet b 1779 ( and from another family tree I found that Janet was born in Carnwath in 1779, she married Alexander Thompson in Whitburn, Linlithgow in 1810 and died in Switzerland, Indiana, USA in 1872). I take it that these people were related to your ancestors. Some of the family trees that I have found on the web refer to John Muir’s birth on 18th June 1877 in Whitburn parish, Linlithgow but I found no individual of that name in the Scotland online records for Whitburn. I think that this place of birth may be a mistake. So that makes John Muir of Carnwath as likely to be your ancestor. But who did he marry?
Surprisingly there are entries for two marriages in 1808 between a John Muir and a Mary Prentice ! It seems to be to be extraordinary for two couples with the same names to be married the same year but this does seem to be the case. The first marriage took place between John Muir and Mary Prentice in Edinburgh in the parish of St Cuthbert’s, Edinburgh. Banns for John Muir of St Cuthbert’s Edinburgh and Mary Prentice of Culter were proclaimed in Culter on Feb 1st 1808 and they were married in Edinburgh in March 1808. The names of two children of John Muir and Mary Prentice (of Edinburgh) are recorded in Scotland online: John Muir born 3rd July 1811 and Euphemia Muir born 5th Sept 1813. But I could find no records of any other children born to this John Muir and Mary Prentice.
The second marriage took place in West Lothian (or Linlithgowshire as it was then called) where on 1st November 1808 in Livingston the banns were called between John Muir and Mary Prentice. On 13th November 1808 John Muir and Mary Prentice were married in Whitburn, West Lothian – “John Muir here and Mary Prentice, Livingston” . In view of the fact that John Muir’s sister, Janet Muir, was married in Whitburn to Alexander Thompson this John Muir and Mary Prentice would seem to provide the best fit with your family. However I could find no baptismal records relating to any offspring of this couple. This does not mean that they did not have children but their baptisms were never registered. Maybe they emigrated immediately and all their children were born outside Scotland.
From a different Muir family I have found two children born in Dalserf, Lanarkshire whose baptisms do fit with your dates. A” William Muir born to John Muir in Dalserf village and Mary Harvey, a natural child, born 6th July 1809, baptised 8th October 1809”. (A natural child is an illegitimate child). A year later in Dalserf another child was born to John Muir - this was Alicia born 16th December 1810 to John Muir and Elizabeth Henry and three years later a third child, Frances Muir, who was baptised 31st October 1813 born to John Muir and Elizabeth Henry. However I have not been able to find a marriage record between John Muir and Elizabeth Henry.
I have been unable to find records of the other children you mentioned in your posting (Mary 1808, Jane 1820, Samuel 1822, John Jr 1825 and Margaret 1828). One of the family trees I found on line (Benson) refers to John Muir arriving in Quebec in 1821 and so you might need to search Canadian records for Samuel, John Jr, and Margaret.
For the moment I have come to a halt but if your are sure about the dates of birth of William Muir and his sister Frances Muir then they must almost certainly be the offspring of John Muir of Dalserf but are not children of Mary Prentice. I'll continue my searches but can you let me know your own line back to John Muir - I only have the info from other online sites. Best wishes, Oliver.

At 11:58am on September 25, 2009, George E Muir said…: Good Morning Oliver; What I have is from some other cousins and this tree was made in 1999.And where they got all their info I have no idea.John, accoding to what I hav married Mary Prentice in 1807. John and Mary had 7 children. 1. Mary b. in Scotland and died in Scotland. No date for either.2. Wm was b. 10-18-1809. Jamesb. 7-1811; 3. Frances ( Fannie) b. 1813 m. James Shank(2) m. Robert Forrester b.1813 d. 1875(4) Jane b. 1-11-1820 (5). Samuel b8-18-1822. (6) Margaret no dates. (7) John Jr. b.1825. I have more of the family tree, but it is quite long. I hop this info helps.

At 10:49am on September 23, 2009, George E Muir said…: Oliver: William Muir(Billy)was born on 10-18-1809; Francis(fannie)muir was born 1813 in Scotland ;died 11-13-1872in Scotch Ridge, Ohio. John and Mary had 7 children. I hope this helps you out. John was born in Carnwath Parish on 6-18-1777.

At 9:34am on September 22, 2009, George E Muir said…: Dear Oliver: I hope you got my comments.

At 2:45pm on September 21, 2009, George E Muir said…: Hello Oliver: MY grandfather was born in Lanarkshire in 1777. I know he had a son named named William. I do have William's date of birth if that will help you. I wrote in the Lanarkshire gazette asking anyone named MUIR, if they were related to me in anyway to write to me at my email address. Let me know about William and I will be happy to get his birth date to you.

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